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		<title>By: Piotr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Piotr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was pretty excellent Peter</description>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah - sorry, not implying that Hannett produced Metal Box.  I think Wobble did that.  Jah Wobble.  John Warble to friends.  One of the greatest dub bassists ever.  Again, let&#039;s criticize him for cultural tourism and appropriation for wearing a turban on one of his records and blah blah blah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah &#8211; sorry, not implying that Hannett produced Metal Box.  I think Wobble did that.  Jah Wobble.  John Warble to friends.  One of the greatest dub bassists ever.  Again, let&#8217;s criticize him for cultural tourism and appropriation for wearing a turban on one of his records and blah blah blah.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, if you&#039;ve been reading music criticism for anything more than a few years, you&#039;ll understand that this argument (about the place of &quot;authenticity&quot; &quot;anger&quot; &quot;middle-class complacency&quot; etc. in music) comes up about various indie bands throughout time. 

In fact, every time someone starts harping on VW for racism I think, well, what about the Clash?  A bunch of middle-class art-school students (hardly punks - they&#039;d been musicians for years when they picked up the moniker) expropriating punk rage, and then reggae, then unabashed pop?  Now, that caused some real outrage at the time.  Chumbwumba (for chrissakes) splattered them with red paint to protest their selling out.  Others questioned how they could possibly dare to play &quot;authentic&quot; like &quot;Police and Thieves,&quot; and so on, forever.  And Wire - the mockney accent and punk affectations of Colin Newman and his band of upper-middle-class art school students and musos - surely would not have gone down a storm had they sung in posh accents using large vocabularies (though, certainly bassist graham lewis was happy to then and later in his career).  And, of course, listen to Martin Hannett&#039;s production of ESG&#039;s debut single - one of the most sampled records in hip hop - or the Basement 5&#039;s In Dub - or PIL&#039;s Metal Box - the latter two being some of the best dub you&#039;ll ever hear.  

Sorry, so what does class or background or geography have to do with music anymore?  Aside from the critics&#039; personal axe-to-grind?  Class envy.  Hype and backlash.  The same old story.  It&#039;s all about asserting the critic&#039;s place (be it a pro critic, a blogger, or a music consumer voicing his or her hatred) in judging when something that is becoming popular is or is not cool.  Fuck them.

&quot;If this all makes Contra seem like a fuckless episode of Gossip Girl written by Jimmy Buffett, then I&#039;ve made my point.&quot;  Actually, if you ever get to the point where you write something this droolingly self-important and besides the point of the experience of listening to music, it&#039;s time to stop listening to music.

The only real constant is that underground music (punk, hip hop, ska, rap, jungle, grime, speed metal), no matter how underground, if built around good/interesting/catchy sounds, will always go pop and then go stale and then become ironic.  Is VW the new APB, Haircut 100, Chills, Jesus Jones, Nine Inch Nails, KLF (now there&#039;s an interesting story), Pulp, Interpol?  Who cares?  

I like VW&#039;s songs (though not Cousins - their worst effort to date).  I like the Drums.  I hate the Girls.  I like the Manhattan Love Suicides.  I hate the Vivian Girls.  Who fucking cares?  Nothing to see here, move along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, if you&#8217;ve been reading music criticism for anything more than a few years, you&#8217;ll understand that this argument (about the place of &#8220;authenticity&#8221; &#8220;anger&#8221; &#8220;middle-class complacency&#8221; etc. in music) comes up about various indie bands throughout time. </p>
<p>In fact, every time someone starts harping on VW for racism I think, well, what about the Clash?  A bunch of middle-class art-school students (hardly punks &#8211; they&#8217;d been musicians for years when they picked up the moniker) expropriating punk rage, and then reggae, then unabashed pop?  Now, that caused some real outrage at the time.  Chumbwumba (for chrissakes) splattered them with red paint to protest their selling out.  Others questioned how they could possibly dare to play &#8220;authentic&#8221; like &#8220;Police and Thieves,&#8221; and so on, forever.  And Wire &#8211; the mockney accent and punk affectations of Colin Newman and his band of upper-middle-class art school students and musos &#8211; surely would not have gone down a storm had they sung in posh accents using large vocabularies (though, certainly bassist graham lewis was happy to then and later in his career).  And, of course, listen to Martin Hannett&#8217;s production of ESG&#8217;s debut single &#8211; one of the most sampled records in hip hop &#8211; or the Basement 5&#8242;s In Dub &#8211; or PIL&#8217;s Metal Box &#8211; the latter two being some of the best dub you&#8217;ll ever hear.  </p>
<p>Sorry, so what does class or background or geography have to do with music anymore?  Aside from the critics&#8217; personal axe-to-grind?  Class envy.  Hype and backlash.  The same old story.  It&#8217;s all about asserting the critic&#8217;s place (be it a pro critic, a blogger, or a music consumer voicing his or her hatred) in judging when something that is becoming popular is or is not cool.  Fuck them.</p>
<p>&#8220;If this all makes Contra seem like a fuckless episode of Gossip Girl written by Jimmy Buffett, then I&#8217;ve made my point.&#8221;  Actually, if you ever get to the point where you write something this droolingly self-important and besides the point of the experience of listening to music, it&#8217;s time to stop listening to music.</p>
<p>The only real constant is that underground music (punk, hip hop, ska, rap, jungle, grime, speed metal), no matter how underground, if built around good/interesting/catchy sounds, will always go pop and then go stale and then become ironic.  Is VW the new APB, Haircut 100, Chills, Jesus Jones, Nine Inch Nails, KLF (now there&#8217;s an interesting story), Pulp, Interpol?  Who cares?  </p>
<p>I like VW&#8217;s songs (though not Cousins &#8211; their worst effort to date).  I like the Drums.  I hate the Girls.  I like the Manhattan Love Suicides.  I hate the Vivian Girls.  Who fucking cares?  Nothing to see here, move along.</p>
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		<title>By: jz</title>
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		<dc:creator>jz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said. It&#039;s funny how people get so mad at a band, especially one as harmless as Vampire Weekend.

Describing a music critic as &quot;old,&quot; though, is a poor choice of words: Any critic you call old will take it personally, as an attack on his/her relevance. 

Age isn&#039;t the issue. It&#039;s the ability to hear what a band is doing and place it in proper context. Good critics do that consistently no matter their age. 

Remember: You&#039;re only as old as the shows you see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. It&#8217;s funny how people get so mad at a band, especially one as harmless as Vampire Weekend.</p>
<p>Describing a music critic as &#8220;old,&#8221; though, is a poor choice of words: Any critic you call old will take it personally, as an attack on his/her relevance. </p>
<p>Age isn&#8217;t the issue. It&#8217;s the ability to hear what a band is doing and place it in proper context. Good critics do that consistently no matter their age. </p>
<p>Remember: You&#8217;re only as old as the shows you see.</p>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i said fight the power...power to the ppl...down with Amerikkka!...i&#039;m a feminist!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i said fight the power&#8230;power to the ppl&#8230;down with Amerikkka!&#8230;i&#8217;m a feminist!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Macia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Macia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh? What&#039;s that, Doug? Speak up I can&#039;t understand a word you are saying.</description>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its laughable that VW is being seen as an heir to counterculture. There were plenty of bands like the Monkees and the Osmonds in the 60s/70s, too.  If anything, VW is a much more savy form of bubblegum pop for the masses.  They are worldly, intelligent, and &quot;authentically&quot; write their own songs, so its okay to not think of them as a guilty pleasure, but ultimately what they do is as empty as &quot;jesse&#039;s girl.&quot;  The present moment is ultra-conservative, so of course angry music is not going to be very popular with the masses of complacent e-shoppers who just want something pleasant to listen to while they browse the H&amp;M online store.  Peter&#039;s just never heard of the angry bands cuz he&#039;s caught up in the self-referencial web of upper-middle class bloggers.  

ps- Hipster runoff is soooo angry! Yr obviously too old to read btwn the lines, pops.  The lack of &quot;meaningful&quot; content in music that many young ppl seem to embrace is ONLY BEING EMBRACED IRONICALLY as Hipster Runoff shows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its laughable that VW is being seen as an heir to counterculture. There were plenty of bands like the Monkees and the Osmonds in the 60s/70s, too.  If anything, VW is a much more savy form of bubblegum pop for the masses.  They are worldly, intelligent, and &#8220;authentically&#8221; write their own songs, so its okay to not think of them as a guilty pleasure, but ultimately what they do is as empty as &#8220;jesse&#8217;s girl.&#8221;  The present moment is ultra-conservative, so of course angry music is not going to be very popular with the masses of complacent e-shoppers who just want something pleasant to listen to while they browse the H&amp;M online store.  Peter&#8217;s just never heard of the angry bands cuz he&#8217;s caught up in the self-referencial web of upper-middle class bloggers.  </p>
<p>ps- Hipster runoff is soooo angry! Yr obviously too old to read btwn the lines, pops.  The lack of &#8220;meaningful&#8221; content in music that many young ppl seem to embrace is ONLY BEING EMBRACED IRONICALLY as Hipster Runoff shows.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, like, the way I feel about the Rolling Stones is the way my kids are going to feel about Nine Inch Nails, so I really shouldn&#039;t torment my mom anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, like, the way I feel about the Rolling Stones is the way my kids are going to feel about Nine Inch Nails, so I really shouldn&#8217;t torment my mom anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: you</title>
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		<dc:creator>you</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>critics are annoying and self righteous. I commend you for calling them out on being old, because that is essentially what&#039;s plagueing the annoying and boring music critic community where it&#039;s &quot;cool&quot; to love Taylor Swift just to be popist. ILXOR is a place of evil.

Vamp Weeks are fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>critics are annoying and self righteous. I commend you for calling them out on being old, because that is essentially what&#8217;s plagueing the annoying and boring music critic community where it&#8217;s &#8220;cool&#8221; to love Taylor Swift just to be popist. ILXOR is a place of evil.</p>
<p>Vamp Weeks are fine.</p>
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		<title>By: ian aka @StellasKid</title>
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		<dc:creator>ian aka @StellasKid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t particularly like VW because the music (what I&#039;ve heard of it, that is) is not actually really that good....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t particularly like VW because the music (what I&#8217;ve heard of it, that is) is not actually really that good&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad the Who got paid absolutely nothing to play the Super Bowl, not millions</description>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting jumping-off point for discussion, but I take issue with the idea that music isn&#039;t angry any more.

If you look at all kinds of music being made today, you&#039;ll find plenty of anger and dissatisfaction. Punk, hardcore, extreme metal, underground rap, and even good old folk music are still full of artists and performers who are not content with the state of things, and perfectly willing to vent their displeasure.

I think the issue might be that indie music, which Vampire Weekend can broadly be classified as, has become a tributary of the mainstream, and indie - both performers and audience - have become just as complacent and self-satisfied as the mainstream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting jumping-off point for discussion, but I take issue with the idea that music isn&#8217;t angry any more.</p>
<p>If you look at all kinds of music being made today, you&#8217;ll find plenty of anger and dissatisfaction. Punk, hardcore, extreme metal, underground rap, and even good old folk music are still full of artists and performers who are not content with the state of things, and perfectly willing to vent their displeasure.</p>
<p>I think the issue might be that indie music, which Vampire Weekend can broadly be classified as, has become a tributary of the mainstream, and indie &#8211; both performers and audience &#8211; have become just as complacent and self-satisfied as the mainstream.</p>
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		<title>By: thanatz</title>
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		<dc:creator>thanatz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>someone forgot to send me the memo that nothing sucks anymore and that this state of affairs was reached by the mere virtue of some people having been made aware of the fact that some things actually do suck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>someone forgot to send me the memo that nothing sucks anymore and that this state of affairs was reached by the mere virtue of some people having been made aware of the fact that some things actually do suck.</p>
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		<title>By: ANTHONY</title>
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		<dc:creator>ANTHONY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well said, Peter. Indignation is an odd thing, contagious. When one who is indignant meets someone who isn&#039;t, it makes the indignant party doubly indignant. I ascribe this to the fact that many people base their whole persona around being indignant about trife shit. When they meet someone who has a more balanced assessment of what they should and can be irked about, it is interpreted as an indictment of their &quot;personality.&quot; As someone who has been totally colleged (liberal arted) I have to blame, to a certain extent, our system of higher education–since it runs the risk of being merely a list of things to be impotently indignant about. Maybe VW is some sort of weak-ass revolt against this: indignation fatigue?

I think, though, that you are only responding to those who are able to articulate their rage against the Vampire Weekend. There are plenty, like myself, who just consider them fucking wack. I don&#039;t think that they are racists, or even class traitors or whatever, I just think that their music is a heady blend of aggravating and unremarkable. I think that most critics jump the shark when they try to prove that stuff that just blows is &quot;wrong.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said, Peter. Indignation is an odd thing, contagious. When one who is indignant meets someone who isn&#8217;t, it makes the indignant party doubly indignant. I ascribe this to the fact that many people base their whole persona around being indignant about trife shit. When they meet someone who has a more balanced assessment of what they should and can be irked about, it is interpreted as an indictment of their &#8220;personality.&#8221; As someone who has been totally colleged (liberal arted) I have to blame, to a certain extent, our system of higher education–since it runs the risk of being merely a list of things to be impotently indignant about. Maybe VW is some sort of weak-ass revolt against this: indignation fatigue?</p>
<p>I think, though, that you are only responding to those who are able to articulate their rage against the Vampire Weekend. There are plenty, like myself, who just consider them fucking wack. I don&#8217;t think that they are racists, or even class traitors or whatever, I just think that their music is a heady blend of aggravating and unremarkable. I think that most critics jump the shark when they try to prove that stuff that just blows is &#8220;wrong.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could this be precisely why VW covered Rancid??

http://www.spin.com/articles/download-vampire-weekend-cover-rancid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could this be precisely why VW covered Rancid??</p>
<p><a href="http://www.spin.com/articles/download-vampire-weekend-cover-rancid" rel="nofollow">http://www.spin.com/articles/download-vampire-weekend-cover-rancid</a></p>
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		<title>By: pro VW</title>
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		<dc:creator>pro VW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Band sux anyway.... Ezra is a racist pig and so is Rostam... Girls &gt; VW any day

* coming from and Indian man who went to college too</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Band sux anyway&#8230;. Ezra is a racist pig and so is Rostam&#8230; Girls &gt; VW any day</p>
<p>* coming from and Indian man who went to college too</p>
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